Are Aspergers Syndrome (AS) and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) the same?

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By MPG Narratives

How do you go about forming relationships with these conditions? Do sufferers of AS and OCPD have the same difficulties?

There are some similarities in these two conditions, one of which, AS, is on the Autism Spectrum. Both are conditions that impair the sufferer’s ability to connect socially with their peers in a normal way. Sufferers do want to make friends but seem to either go about it in an unusual way, their ineptness comes across as arrogance, or they seem very shy, so they convince themselves they prefer to be alone. Actually, many do prefer to be alone most of the time and they tend to be seen as ‘geeks’ by their peers.

The severity of their condition can determine how adept they are to making friends, the Autism Spectrum is wide and varied, as are the symptoms an individual may possess.

Preferring their own company and engaging in their specialised subject is certainly where many young children with these conditions spend a lot of their time, however, as puberty hits the need for friendships becomes more apparent. The difficulties with social norms and understanding social cues become the major issue for sufferers when they seek a relationship, be it a friendship or a loving one.

It takes patience and understanding to love someone who can only love you back to a certain point, or in a different way to what is considered ‘the norm’. Sufferers are not deliberately being mean, cold or unthinking, they are simply limited by their condition as to what to feel or understand. This is where anxieties form and difficulties cause panic attacks, fear of crowded areas, sensory dysfunction and overload, as well as a general fear of public outings.

To a point, we all have autism-type traits within us, how many people fear public speaking or entering a new place on their own? You may be one who enjoys being organised or like a certain object/subject, the difference is people with neurotypical brains (normal brain function) will not be obsessed by this trait, it is not the only focus in life.

To differentiate between people who are considered ‘normal’ a therapist who is analysing someone, possibly a child, will look at the amount of time spent on their obsessional traits to determine which syndrome best describes the patient, amongst many other tests. These conditions are not easy to diagnose especially as there are many that may co-exist – ADD, ADHD, PDD, Rett Syndrome.

Once we understand what a person with autistic traits capabilities are it is then we are able to understand just how difficult it can be for these people to be ‘normal’. Marion, my friend who is married to George (see “Aspergers and its affects”), was once told something by a therapist that really helped her to understand how George’s mind worked.

“It is much easier for you to fit into George’s world than he try to fit into yours”

This statement helped Marion to understand just how ‘stuck’ George is in his way of thinking and once she took this on board and changed her expectations of their relationship, her frustrations of trying to make George understand and listen to her needs, became less of an issue in their relationship. It made for a better time all round as Marion knew not to expect certain emotions from George that his brain just hadn’t developed due to his OCPD.

Words are understood literally by both AS and OCPD sufferers so saying something like, “You are making a mountain out of a molehill” during an argument may render a response such as “Are you crazy, I don’t know how to make a mountain” raising the anxiety levels even more within the sufferer due to such an open and innocuous statement.

Also, expecting compliments or spontaneous hugs is futile. In her biography, “Pretending to be Normal*”, Liane Holliday Willey explains that to help her make changes in her behaviour due to AS she makes lists to remind her how to act. Other people make lists to remember to buy milk and bread but Liane’s lists contain reminders such as – “hold Tom’s hands for five minutes every day; squint eyes when in an overwhelming crowd, say ‘Excuse me’ instead of ‘I have to get out of here now!’, ‘count to five before replying’, hug Tom three times today”.

*Publisher: Jessica Kingsley Publishers

It is only when we understand these limitations that a relationship with an AS or OCPD sufferer can survive.

There are many examples of how traits of AS and OCPD can be misconstrued. Some parents will explain that their child is shy and reluctant to speak when in fact their language skills are well beyond their age, they just don’t wish to speak at that moment. Similarly an AS person may be able to read from a young age quite fluently however have no sense of the meaning of the words.

When trying to form a relationship these types of traits are a hindrance, imagine trying to engage in a conversation with someone when your language skills are excellent but delivered with a robotic, monotone voice and you prefer to only discuss certain subjects, usually the one you have a great interest in. Having excellent knowledge of a subject can be a good thing as long as you don’t mention every little thing about the subject as soon as you meet someone new without allowing the other person to speak. The anxiety levels of an AS or OCPD sufferer when meeting someone new are usually very high hence the tendency to talk incessantly.

Early intervention, cognitive therapy and many other helpful resources are available to sufferers especially if they are diagnosed correctly at an early age; have understanding family and friends, as well as they themselves accepting they are different. Having AS or OCPD is not necessarily a bad thing, there are many very capable people who have these conditions and living very fruitful lives, whether they are in a relationship or not.

It is up to people with ‘normal wired brains’ to understand and assist sufferers to trust us and become our friends or partners. Love is meant to conquer all and there are worse things you can do than give someone self confidence when they struggle every day just to fit in.

Disclaimer: Medical practitioners and psychiatrists are the best people to speak to regarding conditions relating to Autism. The details in this article come from my own observations with people I know well who have these conditions, and of course, some research. As I am only an interested observer, please consult a trained professional when it comes to your health or relationships.

People with AS or OCPD have difficulty forming relationships

Prefer their own company.
Prefer their own company.

So, is Aspergers and OCPD the same?

Aspergers and OCPD are two different disorders with some symptoms that do overlap. Anyone who suffers will be as much an individual, if not more, than the rest of us. Take Sheldon Cooper from the show "The Big Bang Theory", although a fictional character he seems to have both conditions. (See link for more information).

Just because one Aspie or OCPD sufferer has social problems doesn't mean they all do, there are many varying degrees of social interaction within the groups. For anyone concerned about a loved one who is displaying these types of traits there is help available and from the rest of us some tolerance, understanding and support will certainly help to make sufferers' lives easier and more comfortable.

People with Aspergers tend to be high achievers with very fulfilling lives who may not think to much about having relationships. Other humans simply may not interest them and to some Aspies and OCPD sufferers this is quite ok. We should all embrace each others differences as appreciate people for who they are, not what condition they may or may not have.

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Sheila Wilson Level 2 Commenter 23 months ago

Very interesting hub. My daughter has Asperger's. I can definitely see how some of the traits could be labeled as OCPD like her ritualistic eating habits. Like many Aspies, she spoke very early (complete sentences at 12 months of age), yet she never seemed to want to speak to anyone but family. She's 17 now and getting ready to go off to college this summer. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that she assimilates well.

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Baileybear Level 3 Commenter 23 months ago

Interesting hub. My son's psychologist said that OCD and Asperger's have some overlap. Probably all the syndromes do, as they are human-made constraints. My son has OCD behaviours connected to his Asperger's but not strongly enough so to have OCD. I would say a few members on each side of extended family have undiagnosed OCD

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ethel smith Level 3 Commenter 23 months ago

Interesting. You are right we all have some funny traits.

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Stan Fletcher Level 2 Commenter 23 months ago

One of the most concise and well-written articles I've seen on the subject. I've forwarded this to several friends who could really use it.

Mary Amrhein 23 months ago

This is a very helpful article. I think I may have Asperger's. This would explain why I have always had trouble making friends and have had difficulty interpreting the non-verbal signals that those of the opposite sex make.

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drbj Level 8 Commenter 23 months ago

Marie - Thanks for your well-written hub which appears to be the result of in-depth and insightful research on the similarities of Aspergers and OCPD.

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brightforyou Level 1 Commenter 23 months ago

Excellent article,informative and helpful for the layperson. Thank you.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Sheila, wishing your daughter all the very best of luck in College. Thanks for a great comment.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Baileybear, thanks for commenting. OCD and OCPD are not the same condition. OCD sufferers know they have a problem, OCPD sufferers just think everyone else has a problem. Their perfectionism traits make them think everything they do is correct, even when it takes them forever to get something done.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Ethel - yes we all have our quirks.

Stan - thank you, appreciate your help in getting this issue out to others.

Mary - glad I could be of some help.

drjb - both research and observing people I know.

bright - it does help when we know more about certain mental disorders.

Thank you all for commenting, your support for this cause is much appreciated.

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Kaie Arwen Level 3 Commenter 23 months ago

MPG Narratives- Autism's spectrum is so large that it is difficult for anyone to comprehend the enormity of the diagnosis; every case is different, and each sufferer is individually unique. Every autistic child I have ever worked with shows signs of OCD, and from experience I would have to say the two go hand in hand when Autism is labeled, though there are exceptions.

Your assessment of the differences in OCD and OCPD above are completely accurate.

Each of these conditions is difficult for people to understand, but understanding is something that we all strive for; ignorance breeds a variety of reactions; education breeds tolerance. In the educational setting of which I am a part (we do not service the severe and profound), the children in our classrooms are accepted and loved by their peers; it's the parents of those peers who often have problems with acceptance. As educators, we become aware of the triggers that "break" routine and create anxiety. The anxiety itself then has to be counteracted. For a five or a six year old to go home and say "Johnny crawled under the table and rocked and screamed for an hour," is alarming to their parents; it is a distraction within the classroom, but the children learn to ease the anxiety of their peers as well, and the scene is far different when the age is eight, then nine, then ten............

You've provided a great source of information here............... and I could go on forever, but I won't, and I will be forwarding this link to a few people I think could use the read............... your message is a needed one! Thanks for this, Kaie

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Kaie, thank you so much for your comment. I appreciate your expertise in this area, I am, as I mention, 'an interested observer' and speak only from my experience with people I know with these conditions (plus research). Comments such as yours give me purpose.

As a communicator I appreciate being able to tell my stories and raise awareness with the hope I am making some difference.

The Autism Spectrum is huge as you say, but awareness will help to break it down and create more understanding.

Thanks for a wonderful comment, Kaie and your support.

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angela_michelle Level 4 Commenter 23 months ago

I never thought the diseases were the same, but I'm surprised to see how similar they really are!

dak 23 months ago

Thank you for a very informative article

Very interesting.

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akirchner Level 4 Commenter 23 months ago

Have you read the new Jodi Picoult book House Rules? It was so awesome and explained a lot about Asperger's - things even working in the medical profession I did not know. Dolores Monet also did an awesome hub this month on the Bronte sister who had Asperger's. There is still much to learn about what causes these 'ritualistic' behaviors and I'm applauding that you are bringing it to people's attention. The more we understand it, the better we all are!

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ptosis Level 3 Commenter 23 months ago

Inability to connect socially in a normal way. Inept - they convince themselves they prefer to be alone - damn! - you mean I'm not just an INTP asshole?

Only 1-3% of total females have the personality type INTP that directly counters social scripting for women to be subjective, soft, and caring.

4-7% males are INTP

INTP'ers are the biggest assholes. Blunt and non-caring about social niceness.

But really - underneath my Vogon crustiness in sharp relief - I am a good person.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Hi ptosis, thanks for the comment but you are confusing me, what is INTP?

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Angela - yes the similarities are many. The more we know about these mental conditions the more we can do to help.

Dak - thanks for commenting.

Audrey - nice to hear from you as always. Yes I've read House Rules and the Bronte article. I tend to read as much as I can on the subject of Autism.

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Nellieanna Level 8 Commenter 23 months ago

Fascinating and as I read with great interest, I was thinking of various people I know or have known (including myself) who have displayed some of the traits. As you say - everyone has some of them, it's a matter of degree and proportion to the "normal" ones, as you say.

Perhaps much that is rightfully considered "genius" and creativity is somewhat akin to some of those traits. Perhaps it would be a dull world - and dull people in it - were it not so. It's when it becomes a problem for the one with too much of it and for those who love him/her, I suppose - that it's pathology rather than embellishment to life.

Thanks for this really well-done article!!

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 23 months ago

Nellieanna, thanks for commenting, always nice to hear from you. It would be a dull world without the 'geeks' and geniuses. You are also right when you say it is when the condition makes the sufferer's life problematic, such as being stuck on one issue and not making decisions quickly enough to move on.

Partners can become frustrated at times when they need things done and decisions made, this is when patience is a virtue.

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Woody Marx Level 2 Commenter 23 months ago

Fascinating. I have long believed there might be a real connection between the two conditions, but this is the first time I have seen someone intelligently present a case for it. Very thought-provoking Hub.

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embee77 Level 2 Commenter 22 months ago

Hi, MPG - You have such meaningful ideas and really thoughtful readers and commenters. I guess my take is to remember that all our labels for behavioral conditions are exactly that: manmade labels. We group behaviors and assign names to them according to what we know at the time. Mental conditions are not like physical illnesses. Those who diagnose them are attempting to understand the human mind and human spirit - both incredibly complex. I think our labels are convenient but inaccurate in many details when it comes to individual people. Having studied communication disorders and the different sciences supporting that field, I now see people as the sum of their different neurological strengths and weaknesses. Some combinations of "difference" are common enough to earn labels. Other personality types are clearly a mix of behaviors from one or more labeled conditions. My hub on Tolerance addresses personalities using this approach. Thanks for the opportunity to share with others who care about the same things I do. I love your writing and ideas.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 22 months ago

Woody Marx - Glad to hear someone else has similar ideas. Mental conditions are complex so if any of this helps others I am proud to have put it out there.

Embee - Again, high praise, thank you so much. Sometimes putting a 'label' helps, sometimes it narrows the field too much. It is hard to know what does work but tolerance and understanding do go a long way.

Thank you both for commenting.

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jenp123 22 months ago

Very interesting hub. I have a relative that we think has asperger's. Question for you: is there a difference between OCPD and OCD, or are they the same thing?

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi jenp, there is a big difference between OCPD and OCD. OCD is a disorder than can develop over time and the sufferer knows they have a problem. OCPD - Obsessive Compulsive PERSONALITY Disorder is a problem of the person's personality traits and many who suffer believe there is nothing wrong with them, they just think everyone else has a problem. People with OCPD can have OCD and

there is a lot of confusion between the two.

OCPD sufferers are highly intelligent, especially in their chosen subject, they are ritualistic, perfectionists and do not like change.

This link may give you more information if you need it:

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Obsessive-compu

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billyaustindillon Level 2 Commenter 22 months ago

I have interesting and informative hub. I actually met the lead singer of an Australian band called The Vines a few years back and he seemed a little 'off' - I put it down to the massive amount of weed he smoked but after a few more fights with his band mates he went and got help and turned out he had Aspergers. I met him before the diagnosis and band fallout.

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AEvans Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago

The similarities are on target with this hub, I suffer from OCPD, but it doesn't take me a long time to accomplish my tasks. I was in denial however for a long time and my husband truly made me realize that there was a problem. Our home has to be absolutely perfect, and the rules in our home was so stringent for such a long time. With the love of my husband, counseling and the realization of myself, I still strive for perfection but at a tolerant level. Thank you for explaining OCD and Asperger's your information is accurate. Thumbs Up! :)

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 22 months ago

BAD - nice acronym... you will find many people who are misdiagnosed or not diagnosed at all wherever you go. People with Aspergers are usually high achievers however the Asperger issues sometimes get in the way. Thanks for commenting.

AE - nice to hear from you again and telling us your story. As with all of us, people with OCPD suffer different traits at different levels. Having a loving relationship really does help and I applaud your husband for loving you as you are. BTW there is nothing wrong with a clean home, this is an admirable trait but I have seen it become a problem with OCPD sufferers when it is never clean enough.

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AEvans Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago

I had an obsession with spots on the faucets and streaks on the mirrors, I would go for hours until you could see yourself then I would become upset because there was a fingerprint. I truly do have an issue with a untidy house it creates anxiety and then I become overhelmed. My husband will ususally intervene and have me re-focus on other things, such as writing, gardening, etc. It is a long road but acknowleding my problem was the beginning of a brand new me! I admire you for writing on subjects that involve mental issues. :)

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 22 months ago

Thank you for the praise AE. I understand how hard it is to overcome something that is so ingrained in your psyche, my friend Marion (her husband George has OCPD) does exactly what your husband does and she finds humour helps at times as well. Writing and gardening are wonderful hobbies to help distract you.

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katiem2 22 months ago

I was drawn to this as I hear a lot on this subject and it gets confusing and jumbled up. Thanks for the clear and detailed information. Now I feel more knowledgeable about Apergers and OCPD and knowledge is power for everyone! Peace :)

Jehnavi 22 months ago

As detailed, the person with OCPD is so occupied with striving to do a task properly that the person attempts to attain perfection. Such a person may impose all sorts of rules to maintain "efficiency," but instead only succeed in making the task more difficult (criterion 1 & 2). The person with OCPD puts work before personal relationships or leisure time (criterion 3), and draws a very strict line when it comes to moral or ethical issues (criterion 4). Hoarding with no traceable cause or sentiment was at one time thought to be a key symptom (criterion 5), however this criteria is under review and may be omitted in the next version of the DSM. http://www.thebrainhealth.com/obsessive-compulsive

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 22 months ago

Thank you Jehnavi, I checked out your link and you are spot on. Leisure time seems to be of no importance to some people who suffer OCPD and hoarding can become a real issue.

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bayareagreatthing Level 2 Commenter 21 months ago

I appreciate the insight and explanation here. I think I know a few people who may have both. Is this a genetic disorder? I didn't see that anywhere, but maybe I overlooked it. Thanks mpg for a great hub.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 21 months ago

Thanks for the comment bayarea... there have been studies that state OCPD and Aspergers are genetic disorders but as results are not conclusive I decided not to speculate on that point. There are many cases of these conditions being present in children without any other family members having them, so, sometimes genetics are involved but not always.

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Pamela Kinnaird W Level 6 Commenter 20 months ago

I enjoyed this article. I had never thought of the two being similar at all. I know someone with multiple obsessive-compulsive tendencies, but everything else about her is pretty normal and I'd always thought OCD is stress-related, so I have a whole lot more reading to do -- by the looks of these interesting comments from people to you. Mahalo.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 20 months ago

Welcome Pamela, so nice to 'meet' you. Stress is a large factor in anxiety based conditions such as OCD, OCPD and Aspergers however there are so many other factors as you have read.

Answersinwriting 15 months ago

Very well-written article. I have worked many times with teenagers with Aspergers and have also come across relationships where Aspergers is a factor. You brought up really good points on how to relate and how to communicate. I also really liked the compassionate perspective of your hub. Thank you.

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 15 months ago

Thank you answersinwriting for a lovely comment, I appreciate you taking the time to write such a positive one. Also, welcome to hubpages, see you around the site.

I am able to have a compassionate perspective in the subject of Aspergers and OCPD because I know people living with both conditions and how the impact on their relationships.

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Rebecca E. 14 months ago

so very true, so very well written, and teh best advice I got was similar, just love them, and they will love you back in their own way

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 14 months ago

Hi Rebecca, nice to hear from you. They certainly are special people Aspies and OCPDers, just a little different that's all. Heeding the advice to love them and not too except the same back certainly makes life a lot easier if you are in a relationship with someone who has either condition.

Carol-Aspie Sibling 4 months ago

Great Article on an interesting topic. My younger brother was diagnosed with AS over 25 years ago. For him, the OCD behavior is actually a coping mechanism, allowing him to 'maintain order' in his world - this would seem to be the exact opposite of the typical 'stress-related' diagnosis of OCD.

www.aspergersschools.org

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MPG Narratives Hub Author 4 months ago

Hi Carol and thanks for your comment. OCD as a coping mechanism seems to be common in people with AS and in this way I guess it's positive as it helps with coping as you say. It is when OCD behaviour affects relationships that it can cause negative issues.

OCPD is different again as those with this disorder generally don't realise they have a problem. OCPD does have similar traits to Aspergers Syndrome so I think people with AS may also have OCPD and vice versa. This is strictly only my observation, a mental health medical expert would be the one to confirm this.

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